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That's bullshit. I've seen bikes destroyed in low-speed accidents, and 
others that suffered very little damage after high-speed prangs. Luck is a 
huge factor. Hit a car three inches away from where somebody else does, at a 
different time in a different place, and the difference in damage to the car 
is also enormous. Unfortunately the courts accept the evidence of "expert 
witnesses."

Gavin Foster
Durban, South Africa

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>   1. Re: Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name? (Matthew Heyer)
>   2. Re: Wrap-up... (Kevin.Dicks@xxxxxxx)
>   3. Re: Cruise-ring (Todd J)
>   4. Re: Back from the track... (Matthew Heyer)
>   5. Re: Cruise-ring (Masiak, Richard)
>   6. Re: Cruise-ring (Dan Wetherington)
>   7. Re: Wrap-up... (Matthew Heyer)
>   8. Re: I think I'm done... long, (Matt Knowles)
>   9. Re: Back from the track... (brettwilson21@xxxxxxx)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name?
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> I know that this is not an exact science, but they had even estimated on 
> the day this transpired that the damage did not give a sense that he was 
> speeding.  With no skid marks, and the resulting damage to the bike and 
> car, they estimated that he was going around the speed limit.
>
> Matt Heyer
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin.Dicks@xxxxxxx
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:34:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name?
>
>
> " Roethlisberger was traveling 35 mph in a posted 35 mph zone, said
> officer Dan Connolly."
>
> Really...
>
> And how exactly do they know that then - seems awfully convenient.  If
> they know for sure then great (and tell us how) but if they DON'T know
> then say so...
>
> I smell BS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Todd J
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ST] Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name?
>
>
> Found this report linked off of CNN: http://tinyurl.com/q324u
>
>  Todd
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:57:23 -0400
> From: Kevin.Dicks@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up...
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> I agree they can do some quite complex modeling to figure out speed but it
> just seem awfully convenient that (they say) he was doing 35 in a 35
> limit.
>
> I just wonder what his speed would have been reported at if the accident
> had happened in....oh....say....Seattle :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Masiak, Richard
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:44 AM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up...
>
>
> I'm no expert, but just like they gauge the strength of a tornado by the
> damage it makes I think they can estimate vehicle speed by the damage they
> make.
>
> Say for instance I drive my car into a concrete wall at 50MPH.  If no one
> saw it or radared my speed, I'll bet they can get a pretty damn close
> estimate on my speed based on damage to my car and the wall through some
> sort of mathematical calculation.
>
> Then again I could be wrong in this thinking.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kevin.Dicks@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:34 AM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name?
>
>
> " Roethlisberger was traveling 35 mph in a posted 35 mph zone, said
> officer Dan Connolly."
>
> Really...
>
> And how exactly do they know that then - seems awfully convenient.  If
> they know for sure then great (and tell us how) but if they DON'T know
> then say so...
>
> I smell BS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Todd J
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ST] Wrap-up of Roethlis-what-his-name?
>
>
> Found this report linked off of CNN: http://tinyurl.com/q324u
>
>  Todd
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Todd J <me_shucker@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Cruise-ring
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060619181858.98253.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> So, anyone buying a pack of 60 want to dole some out?
>
>  ;-)
>  Todd
>
> Steve Lawler <slawler@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  In a previous email, Welsh, Jay (GE Infra, Aviation, US) stated:
>> if you can't order direct from these guys try taking the
>>
>> -318# 24.770/5.330 dimensions to a JD dealer or maybe even a Home Depot
>
> Looking at McMaster-Carr brings up the following:
>
>
> (Material)
> (Durometer Shore)(Temp Range) (Color)
> (Specifications met)
> (Catalog#) (Price)
>
> Round Cross Section
>
> Buna-N
> Shore A: 70 -35? to +250?F Black
> Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
> 9452K206 $5.92 per Pack of 50
>
> Viton
> Shore A: 75 -15? to +400?F Black
> Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
> 9464K592 7.29 per Pack of 10
>
> Silicone
> Shore A: 70 -65? to +450?F Red-Orange
> Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
> 9396K289 6.68 per Pack of 10
>
> Neoprene
> Shore A: 70 -65? to +275?F Black
> Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
> 94115K318 15.07 per Pack of 60
>
> EPDM (Ethylene Propylene)
> Shore A: 70 -65? to +212?F Black
> Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)
> 9557K295 13.13 per Pack of 60
>
> -- 
> Steve Lawler
> Verona, NJ, USA
>
> 2001 Sprint ST "Blue Devil"
>
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> entire catalogue."
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060619185929.28327.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> The rear shock is stock (I have both preload and damping cranked all the 
> way up), and the front was Race-teched with Gold Valves and Cartridge 
> Emulators (with the choice of the stiffer/sportier spring rate option for 
> my weight)....
>
> Matt Heyer
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jeremy Witt <Jeremy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:55:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> Remind me what upgrades you have done to your suspension, please.  With
> your description, I'm really hoping to hear the word "stock" a lot!  :0)
>
> Jeremy Witt
> Newbury Partners
> (o) 603-893-3022
> (c) 603-475-4228
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Heyer
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:55 PM
> To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ST] Back from the track...
>
> So I ran the snot out of the ST today up at Summit Point, WV raceway.  I
> took the past few days prepping the bike (no blinkers, mirrors,
> reflectors, "comfort" items, etc).  Trailered the bike up and ran 7
> 20-minute sessions.  Now the ST is a GREAT street bike, but I really
> found the limits of it today.  Was grinding bits like crazy, and even
> unweighted the bike getting on it hard out of a turn (setting up another
> rider to pass getting a better drive - I was leaned over, well off the
> bike, lots of weight on the inside foot peg, and trying to get on the
> gas and keep the bike turning).  Heard the rear end start to
> scream/screech (what a terrible sound), the rear started coming
> around...and some how I was able to recover with a dramatic almost
> highside, tank slapper and all, and a shot to the nuts to boot - ouch!
> But I as able to stand it up, somehow stay on top/over/on the bike, let
> the bars do their crazy thing, run it into the grass, and safely brake
> off the track.
>
> The instructors said my form and lines were good, and that the bike was
> on the edge (they could see many bit touching down through the corners).
> They suggested that I get myself of real race bike to be able progress
> any further.  So one of the control riders let me take out his fully
> track prepped R6 for the last session - all I can say is "WOW"!  Now
> this things was dyno tuned with tons of after market parts, and is
> mapped to run on race fuel (and was - what a smell!).  I had to re-learn
> all of my shift points, and the noise and feel of the 4-cylinder, and
> the noises the engine makes, but shifting that thing at 15k+ is really
> something else.  The front end gets light coming out of the corners at
> full throttle, and the shifts make the bars wiggle - I finally see why
> the really put steering dampers on bikes.  I got used to it, especially
> in one particular section where you are coming out of a full lean right
> turn, start to stand up and really get on the gas, and then there
> is a kink to the left - and right at the kink is where the bike needs
> to shift at 15.5k.  Again - all I can say is WOW!
>
> I really think it was beneficial to run something like the ST, and truly
> find the bikes limits.  I think it really makes me appreciate the next
> level of bike, and understand the real differences (not just all the
> tech talk).
>
> The ST is a great steed, and it is more than anyone can safely use on
> the road.  For the track, the pegs are way too low (also ruined a new
> pair of boots with my feet that low - ground right through the tow
> slider and the sole after the 6 sessions - 7th was on the R6, and I
> wasn't getting those aftermarket rearsets to touch down....).  I really
> did feel the weight of the bike in the turns too, and suspension
> short-comings, and some pretty bad brake fade by the end of the day.
>
> Just to clarify, this is not an ST bash - for from it - finding the
> limits consistently turn after turn makes me realize how good the bike
> is.  Especially because the bike can still cover long miles in comfort
> with luggage.  I am rather just sharing my experience, and thoughts from
> it.  I am however looking at some track bikes this week (2001 R1, 2003
> R6, 2002 GSX-R 750).  I will hopefully have one all set up for my return
> to the track in a few weeks (Pocono Raceway here I come - finally a
> track run counter-clockwise)
>
> And in closing - man this sh!t is fun!!!  Everyone should do it, and it
> makes me re-evaluate road riding.  Oh yeah, and one last thing.  There
> was a guy from the Albany, NY running in the beginner group on a yellow
> RS.  Made the trip all the way down to run the two tracks at Summit
> Point.  Good thing - he saved my canopy when it tried to blow away
> during one of my sessions.  Really nice guy, but he had no idea what
> this site is!?!?!!
>
> Matt Heyer
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:40:12 -0400
> From: "Masiak, Richard" <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Cruise-ring
> To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <53CB7766CBAB9148BCB56ABC56F408CF06A980B3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ok, I'm ignorant.  How does an o-ring achieve cruise control?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Welsh, Jay (GE
> Infra, Aviation, US)
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:23 AM
> To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: denoose@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ST] Cruise-ring
>
>
> Denoose,
>
> I too remember there being another source for the O-ring, possibly J-Deer, 
> but I look through my archive of part numbers not to forget, and only find 
> the following reference:
>
>
> Caterpillar part number 8M-5266 (seal o-ring). Cat distributor - $3.43 
> each
>
> If I google it, it comes up as DM-8m-5266 for $1.23 from 
> http://www.dynamaxindustries.com/Price_cat.pdf
> or 8M5266 from http://www.cat.com/cda/files/87091/7/seals.pdf
>
> The later also give specifics of 70 DUR silicone - 8B4967; 75 DUR NBR 
> Nitrile;  6V4430 75 DUR Fluorocarbon (Viton)
>
> all a -318 size with I.D. of 24.770mm and a cross section of 5.330mm
>
> if you can't order direct from these guys try taking the
>
> -318#  24.770/5.330 dimensions to a JD dealer or maybe even a Home Depot
>
>
> Caterpillar part number 8M-5266 (seal o-ring). Cat distributor - $3.43 
> each
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jay
> '00ST
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:51:30 -0400
> From: "Denis Liakos" <denoose@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] John Deere O ring
> To: <st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <000e01c6923f$0c1f7160$6501a8c0@DAD>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Does anyone have the part number for the World's Least Expensive Cruise
> Control?  I have stock grips on my new ST and would like to add this item,
> thanks
>
> Denis Liakos
> '06 ST
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:43:03 -0500
> From: "Dan Wetherington" <DEW@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Cruise-ring
> To: <ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <s496b815.063@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
>
>>>> Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6/19/2006 2:40 PM >>>
> Ok, I'm ignorant.  How does an o-ring achieve cruise control?
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>
> It fits between the throttle grip and the bar end, making it more
> difficult to turn...
>
>
>
> www.packereng.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:47:04 +0100 (BST)
> From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up...
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20060619194704.32163.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Now that's funny!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin.Dicks@xxxxxxx
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:57:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [ST] Wrap-up...
>
>
> I just wonder what his speed would have been reported at if the accident
> had happened in....oh....say....Seattle :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:28:42 -0700
> From: Matt Knowles <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ST] I think I'm done... long,
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <0e4e67f6b9627c1577b545c1a88b9a2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:54 AM, John Ulizzi wrote:
>
>> And
>> you have assholes on the track as well. There is
>> always gonna be a Johnny racer who is mixing it up
>> with one of his buddies and you happen to be in his
>> way.
>
> My one and only crash during my short two season racing career came
> during my first lap with my brand new GS550ES that I bought for a track
> bike. During  a WARM UP lap for PRACTICE, some bozo went directly into
> race mode and passed me in the inside of the carousel at Sears Point.
> Maybe he didn't understand what the big yellow square on my leathers
> meant, but being a rookie on a brand new bike taking it for it's first
> lap, having someone's knee right next to mine while leaning through a
> curve un-nerved me enough that I totally lost concentration and ended
> up running the bike off the apron. As I found out, the GS550ES didn't
> make a very good dirt bike and I went down in the dirt at about 40mph.
> No harm to me other than a bruised hip, and only some minor scuffing on
> the bike's fairing. Still it was the worst injury I've had in 27 years
> of riding motorcycles and it really sucked that it happened to a brand
> new bike.
>
> I also found that starting in the back of a 60 bike field will open
> your eyes. Every race there always seemed to be one or two bozos up
> front that would almost lose it doing wheelies off of the line.
>
> I found track days to be a much safer way to enjoy the benefits of a
> race track because it's much easier to ride your own pace and not get
> caught up in the competition aspect. Also passing is using limited to
> the outside.
>
> One other option on the "I think I'm done..." choice is to get out of
> the rat race and move to somewhere where life moves a lot slower, not
> just the traffic. Maybe not everyone has this option, but I'm sure glad
> I did. The last few years I was living in San Jose it was getting to be
> a pretty regular experience dodging and avoiding distracted cell phone
> drivers. Now my commute is .5 mile so I walk to work when I can, and my
> riding is out in the country on weekends.
>
> Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA -
> http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles
>  '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA)
>  '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads
>  '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt
>  '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:30:06 -0400
> From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <8C861F649523959-868-64CF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I would love to do exactly what you're doing Matt, but toys are on the 
> back burner for a while as I stash my cash to buy my first property. Of 
> course then I will have a shed of my very own that I can fill with bikes! 
> (Well its nice to dream) So keep those reports coming as I will be living 
> vicariously through others for a while.
>
> Brett.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> Yeah - that's the one.  I've read that stuff too about it being a good
> compromise.  And after riding the R6, I can't imagine what a 1000 would be 
> like!
> It would take tons of throttle control in a turn, and the majority of 
> tracks
> don't even have the space to really let them loose.  The fastest guys on 
> the
> track this Saturday were on 600's.  I'm hoping I love it - it will be a 
> HUGE
> step-up from the Sprint.
>
> Matt Heyer
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Masiak, Richard" <Richard_Masiak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:51:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> Cool!  That the gixxer with the extra set of wheels?
>
> I saw a small review on TWT about track bike and they like the 750.  I had
> better low end and more HP than the 600's yet wasn't as beasty as the fire
> breathing 1000's.  A 1000, I've heard, really needs finess when opening 
> the
> throttle coming out of a turn where 600's and 750's are a bit more 
> forgiving.
>
> I bet you'll love it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:st-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Matthew Heyer
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:35 PM
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> I would LOVE to have a 675.  Finances don't allow it...  That bike would 
> be
> ideal on size, weight and power, and still be a Triumph.  I do get 
> comments
> about representing the British bikes out there on the track, and that's 
> cool.
>
> I did pick up a 2002 GSX-R 750 today.  Clear title, owned by a 61 year 
> old, 6100
> miles, Ohlins rear shock, frame sliders, spool lift and stands (front and 
> back),
> full Yoshimura exhaust with Yoshimura ESM (dyno tuned, and software and 
> cables
> included), spare bar ends, spare frame sliders, spare nose plastic, stock 
> rear
> shock, stock full exhaust, Vortex rear set, sport chock, passenger seat 
> and
> cowl, original manual plus Suzuki technician service manuals (guy worked 
> at a
> dealer part time), tank bag...really anything that he ever collected for 
> the
> bike - a lot of stuff from the dealership.  Got it for $4900.  I'm waiting 
> on
> him finding the stock wheels too for a little more.  Now I start the track 
> prep
> - can't wait to get it out there.
>
> Matt
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: brettwilson21@xxxxxxx
> To: ST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:05:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> Sounds like you rode the wheels off your ST Matt. Once you hone your track
> skills some more on a Jap four, perhaps it will be time for a 675???
>
> Brett
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Heyer <matthewheyer@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [ST] Back from the track...
>
>
> So I ran the snot out of the ST today up at Summit Point, WV raceway.  I 
> took
> the past few days prepping the bike (no blinkers, mirrors, reflectors, 
> "comfort"
>
> items, etc).  Trailered the bike up and ran 7 20-minute sessions.  Now the 
> ST is
>
> a GREAT street bike, but I really found the limits of it today.  Was 
> grinding
> bits like crazy, and even unweighted the bike getting on it hard out of a 
> turn
> (setting up another rider to pass getting a better drive - I was leaned 
> over,
> well off the bike, lots of weight on the inside foot peg, and trying to 
> get on
> the gas and keep the bike turning).  Heard the rear end start to 
> scream/screech
> (what a terrible sound), the rear started coming around...and some how I 
> was
> able to recover with a dramatic almost highside, tank slapper and all, and 
> a
> shot to the nuts to boot - ouch!  But I as able to stand it up, somehow 
> stay on
> top/over/on the bike, let the bars do their crazy thing, run it into the 
> grass,
> and safely brake off the track.
>
> The instructors said my form and lines were good, and that the bike was on 
> the
> edge (they could see many bit touching down through the corners).  They
> suggested that I get myself of real race bike to be able progress any 
> further.
> So one of the control riders let me take out his fully track prepped R6 
> for the
> last session - all I can say is "WOW"!  Now this things was dyno tuned 
> with tons
>
> of after market parts, and is mapped to run on race fuel (and was - what a
> smell!).  I had to re-learn all of my shift points, and the noise and feel 
> of
> the 4-cylinder, and the noises the engine makes, but shifting that thing 
> at 15k+
>
> is really something else.  The front end gets light coming out of the 
> corners at
>
> full throttle, and the shifts make the bars wiggle - I finally see why the
> really put steering dampers on bikes.  I got used to it, especially in one
> particular section where you are coming out of a full lean right turn, 
> start to
> stand up and really get on the gas, and then there
> is a kink to the left - and right at the kink is where the bike needs to 
> shift
> at 15.5k.  Again - all I can say is WOW!
>
> I really think it was beneficial to run something like the ST, and truly 
> find
> the bikes limits.  I think it really makes me appreciate the next level of 
> bike,
>
> and understand the real differences (not just all the tech talk).
>
> The ST is a great steed, and it is more than anyone can safely use on the 
> road.
>
> For the track, the pegs are way too low (also ruined a new pair of boots 
> with my
>
> feet that low - ground right through the tow slider and the sole after the 
> 6
> sessions - 7th was on the R6, and I wasn't getting those aftermarket 
> rearsets to
>
> touch down....).  I really did feel the weight of the bike in the turns 
> too, and
>
> suspension short-comings, and some pretty bad brake fade by the end of the 
> day.
>
> Just to clarify, this is not an ST bash - for from it - finding the limits
> consistently turn after turn makes me realize how good the bike is. 
> Especially
> because the bike can still cover long miles in comfort with luggage.  I am
> rather just sharing my experience, and thoughts from it.  I am however 
> looking
> at some track bikes this week (2001 R1, 2003 R6, 2002 GSX-R 750).  I will
> hopefully have one all set up for my return to the track in a few weeks 
> (Pocono
> Raceway here I come - finally a track run counter-clockwise)
>
> And in closing - man this sh!t is fun!!!  Everyone should do it, and it 
> makes me
>
> re-evaluate road riding.  Oh yeah, and one last thing.  There was a guy 
> from the
>
> Albany, NY running in the beginner group on a yellow RS.  Made the trip 
> all the
> way down to run the two tracks at Summit Point.  Good thing - he saved my 
> canopy
>
> when it tried to blow away during one of my sessions.  Really nice guy, 
> but he
> had no idea what this site is!?!?!!
>
> Matt Heyer
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